NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC MAGAZINE: The notion of it's for the greater good ".. the results are worth it. People who has never heard of Nudibranchs before have..." , does not apply here... a quote from one of our readers on our Nudibranch Photography topic as featured in the recent MAGAZINE...read the latest letters...

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Incase you don’t know what a Nudibranch looks like...
© Gunther Deichmann - Nudibranch, Nembrotha kubaryana
from Puerto Galera Philippines

I have received more feedback on our Nudibranch Photography Topic...see below a very interesting letter again fom Jaya, at this point I like to express my sincere thanks to all who have replied and voiced their opinon, thank you all.
An official letter went out to the Editor in Chief at National Geographic Magazine, once we have a reply I let you know.
I think Jaya, in his letter below nailed it down...well expressed and written.
GD

From: xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Now we know…feedback from an employee at the National Geographic Magazine regarding the Photography by...
Date: July 22, 2008 10:24:30 AM GMT+08:00
To: gdeichmann@mac.com

GD,
I understand your need to re-emphasise the core message of the blog.. 'The question is NOT how great the images are.... outstanding for sure.
It is the method..."
The notion of it's for the greater good ".. the results are worth it. People who has never heard of nudibranchs before have..." , does not apply here. In it's very basic, no human life or being would have been greatly disadvantaged if that personhas never seen a nudibranch.

Secondly, if it was intention to show the world, these beautiful creatures, wouldn't it make sense to show them in their natural environment and habitat? Now we are going to have a percentage of millions who would think that nudibranchs live in a white walled background, with piped music. There are a number of great shots of the nudibranchs, taken as they were by everyday folks, that you have shown with your blog.
With a big expense budget, I'm surprised that, the powers be, opted to strip bare rather than capture as whole.

Taking a shot at John James Audubon seems like a feeble attempt to paint the current method as a lesser evil. The dead cannot defend themselves and the living should not pick on them, for whatever reasons. He did what he did, with the limited concern for the environment and wildlife, as it was in 1827. That was 181 years ago. Jennifer Love Hewitt was born 150 years too late.

All works should stand and should be defended on their own merits. The end does not justify the means, if it means, moving something from it's natural habitat, its natural environment so that a beautiful picture can be taken. No one can empathise what the slugs went through. If only the slugs could talk. If only they could move a little faster. To quote.."the danger that other underwater photographers might be encouraged to do the same in an irresponsible manner..". It is very real.

Who defines if that diver photographer has the expertise or experience to move marine life around to get a great shot so that he can post it on his blog for the world to see ?
Who draws the line? Who plays Posiedon? Where is Davy Jones and his Kraken? At the end of the day, the best option with any given experience, take nothing but pictures.

Note : My post is subject specific, my questions rhetorical and there was no intention, subtle
or sublime, to offend anyone.

SM Jayabalan

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Hey sorry for the late reply!
BTW: I was also on a shoot with David while he was using the “underwater studio” light box. It was cool and he was gentle and respectful
J
All the best
Jason Heller DivePhotoGuide


More readers feedback and discussions from the Nudibranch article in the recent National Geographic Magazine…there is a real concern how far we can go in today’s Photography…

More Readers feed back from my Blog Post dated
07 14 & 07 19 2008.

I have received some more comments on the recent Nudibranch article in the National Geographic Magazine, I have now written an official letter to the Editor.
The question is NOT how great the images are...outstanding for sure. It is the method... and this could lead to malpractice by other Divers and Underwater Photographers thinking they can also start moving things around as mention in my first Blog. It is a real dilemma and not easy to find an answers for it. My advise to Divers and Underwater Photographers is...enjoy our Marine Life but Dont touch.
See below my reply to Marilyn’s letter and her subsequence reply again, plus an interesting email from Switzerland.
As a courtesy I have removed all the email addresses to keep them confidential and to avoid spam, however upon legitimate requests we can pass them on. All emails received are in their original form and have not been edited or translated into English.
My reply below to Marilyn’s letter from the other day, thanks again Marilyn for sharing your thoughts with us, much appreciated.

My reply...
Dear Marilyn,
thank you very much for some of the explanations, I have had a very good look at the Video and How it was done.
Great work by David but I am still a bit concerned moving the animals around, scientifically speaking not a problem and that comes across on the Video, at least I dont feel so bad anymore. It is just my concern that other Underwater Photographers might not be so careful then David. Maybe it should say in the article that this was done also for research and should not be attempted by others. I have written another blog quoting you with the links leading to the video etc.,etc.
http://www.deichmann-photo.com/blog.html Again many thanks for your input and explanations I appreciate this very much,
have a nice Day,
Cheers Gunther

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Marilyn’s reply…
Dear Gunther,
You're welcome, and thank you for posting my explanation on your blog. I'd hate for people to think the nudibranchs were taken out of water to make these photos. I agree that there is a danger that other underwater photographers might be encouraged to photograph these creatures in an irresponsible manner. That's the downside of doing a photo gallery like this. But for the millions of people who might otherwise never know about nudibranchs except through National Geographic's pages, I think maybe it's worth it. Perhaps if you wrote a letter to National Geographic stating your opinion they would publish it. I know other people have the same concerns you do about photographing these creatures.
At least nature photographers no longer follow the practice of John James Audubon, who shot thousands of birds to make his beautiful illustrations:
http://www.renfrewshire.gov.uk/ilwwcm/publishing.nsf/Content/els-jh-Audubon
Best regards,
Marilyn

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Claudio from Switzerland wrote…
Lieber GD
Ich verstehe nur zu gut deine Meinung, die du in deinem Blog vertrittst. Auch als Nichttaucher bin ich der Meinung, dass nach all den Anstrengungen die viele Organisationen unternehmen um die Unterwasserwelt zu retten und schuetzen, dies von einem renomierten Unterwasserfotografen mit Fuessen getretten wurde. Vielleicht spielt auch wie so vieles im Leben Geld eine ausschlaggebende Rolle, die David Doubilet dazu bewogen hat, dies zu tun. Wie auch immer. Auf alle Faelle ist dies zur Nachahmung nicht zu empfehlen.
Gruss Claudio csc

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Now we know…feedback from an employee at the National Geographic Magazine regarding the Photography by David Doubilet on Nudibranchs …how did he do it? Explanation and some cool links…now you can decide for yourself, plus more comments from other readers…

I would have loved to use one or two of David Doubilet images but I respect the copyright…just incase you don’t know what a Nudibranch is, see below the image taken in Puerto Galera Philippines.

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© Gunther Deichmann - Nudibranch, Hypselodoris bullocki (variant)

How did he achieve this? That is a very good question…you might say Photoshop…but I have heard another story…moving a complete studio underwater, tons of equipment and of course a dozen or so assistants. Wow what a budget given to him by National Geographic, however there is no way that this could have been executed without moving the Nudibranchs from their original location…
As mention in my previous blog I have seen David’s other images and one can only admire him, absolutely fantastic there is no question about it…

…read the feedback from Marilyn an employee of the National Geographic Magazine who has shed some light on the subject… certainly an interesting topic, worth while talking about it... how far we can or cant go in today’s Photography. Now it is up to you and form your own opinion after you have viewed the mention Video or checked out the other supported link… below.How did he do it.
Thanks Marilyn for sharing this with us... & if I receive any additional emails regarding this topic I post them on this Blog.
GD

More Images and info by Gunther Deichmann @
http://www.deichmann-photo.com/home.html

Readers feed back from my Blog post dated 07 14 08.
(all emails are not alterd or edited)

“Underwater Photography…a controversial subject… moving Marine Life around for a better shot. Aren’t we supposed to leave them where they are? What ever happen to the good old saying…LOOK…APPRECIATE…But Don’t Touch?”

Your Name: Marilyn Terrell
Your Email: xxxxxxxxx
For confidentially I have removed Marilyn email address.
GD
Subject: Doubilet\'s nudibranchs
Message: I read your blog about the Doubilet photos of nudibranchs in National Geographic and how he did it, which is a question many people had. He did set up an underwater studio, with a white backdrop, and he placed the nudibranchs back after he photographed them. He talks about it in his video: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/video/player?titleID=1531204600
I work at Nat Geo and I had lunch the other day with someone who\'s been diving with Doubilet and he has lots of cameras set up and several assistants and he can go from camera to camera taking photos. It\'s obviously a big expense but the results are worth it. People who never heard of nudibranchs before have this new understanding and appreciation of them through his photos.
More: http://www.notcot.com/archives/2008/07/david_doubilets.php

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Gunther,
For examples of the practice see latest National Geographic with nudibranch photos by David Dubolet.
But I trust the nudies survived this harrowing experience.
Cheers, John from Palau Micronesia

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Read the DD posting and others....any "official" response?? Very interesting!
D from Palau Micronesia

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Hi GD,
Simple, sensible, thought provoking and with a touch of passion.
I do hope people read and forward to others to create a ripple effect, and hopefully it will find it's way to Nat Geo
I would like to read their posting.
Thanks for sharing GD
Cheers!!!
Jaya
Manila Philippines

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Interesting NEWS...not my usual Photography and Aperture topic but it made me laugh...GarageBand 400 Million years ago?

I picked up this article from the BBC...not my usual Photography and Aperture topic but it made me laugh...GarageBand 400 Million years ago?
Not quiet... but very interesting reading and I thought I share this with you... oh boy what they discover these days...

Grunting fish have helped scientists to date the origins
of vocal sounds to about 400 million years ago.

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Photo: Screenshot Courtesy of the BBC, click on the image
or use the link below for the video and complete article.

Toadfish and midshipman fish use a variety of different sounds to attract mates and scare off rivals. Now US researchers have found that the area of a fish's brain that drives vocalization is extremely primitive. Writing in the journal Science, they say it suggests that the ability to communicate through sound emerged very early in the evolution of vertebrates...read the complete article and watch the Video...
@ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7510443.stm

Is this the smallest Nikon D2X in the world? An amazing little wonder crafted by hand… plus more Aperture 2 workshops at the planning stage at the Power Mac Center.

The smallest Nikon D2X... on my MacBook Pro during the
recent Photography and Aperture 2 Workshop...

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Photo by Mark-Lee Deichmann

During my recent Photography and Aperture 2 Workshop at the Power Mac Center, Honey Machuca from THINK BIG Events Management www.thinkbigevents.ph presented me with this soooooo cute Nikon D2X Camera made by Hand just for this occasion.
What else can I say…but thank you so much Honey, you are very talented indeed producing such a small Camera with all the details, even the lens has glass…very cool and thanks again.
Now back to
Aperture 2…more Photography and Aperture Workshops are planned from Basic to Pro level…I keep you updated or you can check with the Power Mac Center in Greenbelt Makati. http://www.powermaccenter.com/
GD

Underwater Photography…a controversial subject… moving Marine Life around for a better shot. Aren’t we supposed to leave them where they are? What ever happen to the good old saying…LOOK…APPRECIATE…But Don’t Touch?

Sorry no Aperture 2 talk today...but you might find this article very interesting.

Last night I became part of an interesting 3-hour conversation with Marc Ambat and S M Jayabalan, both are scuba divers and take underwater photos. Marc is a Chief Technical Officer working at a Top Digital production House specializing in Video FX and Jaya is the GM of Sensing Technology Corporation. So there you have it, two very intelligent and super nice people, our conversation started like this…
I mention a recent article in DivePhotoGuide.com…
National Geographic has put up an online gallery of amazing nudibranch photography from our good friend David Doubilet, from the June issue. The imagery is classicly Doubilet, putting a different perspective on these amazingly diverse and colorful subjects...read more @ http://www.divephotoguide.com/articles/david_doubilet

Gunther Deichmann,Underwater Photography,Marine Life
© Gunther Deichmann - a feeding Nudibranch
from Puerto Galera
, Philippines
Please note all the images on this Blog have been taken the natural way
none of them have been manipulated.

This published article showcased the latest work of David Doubilet…amazing images of cool looking Nudibranchs (click the link for the images) http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/06/nudibranchs/doubilet-photography
How did he achieve this? That is a very good question…you might say Photoshop…but I have heard another story…moving a complete studio underwater, tons of equipment and of course a dozen or so assistants. Wow what a budget given to him by National Geographic, however there is no way that this could have been executed without moving the Nudibranchs from their original location,even Photoshop could have been excepted in this case but moving animals around? Maybe I am wrong then please tell me so, it is after all only my opinion.
We suppose to be responsible Divers but now we see this, David Doubilet is an outstanding Underwater Photographer if not the very best on this planet…but why is he shooting like this now? For the sake of Art or just been different?
I have seen David’s other images and one can only admire him, absolutely fantastic there is no question about it…but this Nudibranch shoot, I honestly don’t get it.
I am not the only one with this opinion, Marc and Jaya agreed with me fully hearted and I am sure there are many more out there who share this with us.

Gunther Deichmann,Underwater Photography,Marine Life
© Gunther Deichmann - a feeding Nudibranch from Puerto Galera

Here we are talking about the environment and now we start moving our precious Marine life around declaring with these images an open season for other underwater Photographers…well, if he does it, then why cant I…what is next…tied up Dugongs and Turtles? They doing it already in Palau with Crocodiles just for the thrill, some operators offering to dive with Crocodiles for a fee of course and as the saying goes “no strings attached” but in this case there are.
Yes... this is another interesting and controversial issue but at least we can voice our concern and opinion.
(read some comments in
Dive PhotoGuide.com)
If this was done for some scientific research then I can understand it, great images for sure, but I am disappointed at David Doubilet and National Geographic meddling with our marine life in the not so natural way.

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Above Photo: © Omar D. Linsangan from
Dugong Dive Center, Palawan Philippines

Think about it and form your own opinion we are in titled of that, but for Jaya, Marc and myself it was very clear…Don’t touch! Look and observe and if you like to get this magic shot become a good and responsible diver first. Even the smallest of Digital Cameras give you some amazing results…remember Omar from Dugong Dive Center and my previous Blog…he does not move things around. Isn’t this what we have been taught during our first Open Water Course with PADI or other organizations?
GD

Gunther Deichmann,Underwater Photography,Marine Life
Gunther Deichmann - Nudibranch from Dumaguete, Philippines


Aperture 2 in June... in New York with AUPN...in Manila with the Power Mac Center...plus PhotoShelter Shoot the day.

The last week in June promises to be very exciting with Aperture 2 all over the planet, well at least in New York and Manila see below some dates and venues starting from the 20th of June with a PhotoShelter special.
Aperture Day is approaching...
You find me at the Power Mac Center in Makati, Manila from June 21st to the 22nd. two days of Photography & Aperture 2, for reservations and more info I have provided a direct link to the Power Mac Center below.

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Manila
Aperture 2
Workshop (Free)
Learn more about Aperture with Apple-certified trainer Gunther Deichmann
http://www.deichmann-photo.com/

Dates: June 21 and 22, 2008
Time: 1:00 pm and 5:00 pm

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Visit Power Mac Center at Greenbelt 3 to book your seat now!
Limited seats only
For more information call 7297087- 88
or email
training@powermaccenter.com
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The AUPN will be presenting a day of seminars and instruction at B&H Photo in New York City, on June 23rd. Classes are free, registration via the B&H website (link below). Especially aimed at the iPhoto user and the photographer thinking of upgrading to Aperture 2, this session will tackle some of the hottest topics in digital photography, and answer your Aperture questions.
Aperture Day @ B&H June 23 seminar descriptions


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Mac Technology and fossils…they do have something in common... a very cool science article…if you interested in Fossils and Dinosaur you need to check this out.

The image below is of a fossilized Ammonite (an ancient relative of today’s Nautilus) from the Jurassic period, one of a few left in my collection, going back in time just like Time Machine…

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left: Ammonite from 160 million years ago - right: Nautilus a close
relative from Palau Micronesia

Some of you know my background with fossils or Paleontology…but what has a Mac in common with all of this?
Read this amazing and very cool article below…

Running with the Dinosaurs
Mac Technology Helps Put the Spring in a Hadrosaur’s Step

Read more about this amazing story with cool images @
http://www.apple.com/science/profiles

Great NEWS for Photographers & Aperture 2 users...MobileMe, if you are a current .Mac member, your account will be automatically upgraded to MobileMe in July… more integration than ever.

Very recently I talked about Aperture 2 iLife and iWorks and the integration on the Mac... more good news for the traveling Photographer has just been announced...MobileMe

Now Apple announced a few days ago a new Internet service called MobileMe - taking the best of .Mac and adding a host of new features. As a current .Mac member, your account will be automatically upgraded to MobileMe in July.
For a closer look, watch the
MobileMe Guided Tour

Now is the time to sign up for the latest Mobile technology with MobileMe…. if you a current Mac account holder don’t worry your account will be upgraded automatically.
But here is the very cool part, if you are a Photographer and
Aperture 2 user then you going to love this…double the online storage. To give you plenty of space for your email, photos, and other files, MobileMe doubles your storage from 10GB to 20GB for an individual subscription.

Individual subscription storage doubles from 10GB to 20GB.
If you purchased a storage upgrade, it will also be upgraded at no additional charge:
* A 10GB storage upgrade is now 20GB. Your new total storage will be 40GB.
* A 20GB storage upgrade is now 40GB. Your new total storage will be 60GB.

Mac integration you know and love. With MobileMe, you'll continue to enjoy features that take advantage of seamless integration with Mac OS X and iLife - Back to My Mac; access to your iDisk in the Finder; Mac-to-Mac syncing of Dock items, preferences, and more; iWeb site publishing; and photo and movie sharing directly from iPhoto '08 and iMovie '08.
In the meantime, if you have any questions about the upcoming transition from .Mac to MobileMe, please visit the MobileMe FAQ.

Apple talk until 3:30 AM...two Mac addicts chatting away all night...a marine biologist, photographer & writer from DivePhotoGuide

I allowed very few people or even friends to use my Mac Book Pro...
Matt was one of these very few.


9:30 PM Manila…the doorbell rang and Matt Weiss from DivePhotoGuide strolled into the office and my home.
Matt has just returned from Puerto Galera where he stayed with
Asia Divers and El Galleon Beach Resort a partner in the Philippine-Micronesia Alliance.
Matt and myself chatted all night long and I thought at one point doing a Pod Cast but that would have been way to long… he walked out of here at around 3:30 AM just in time for his flight to Club Paradise in Palawan at 11:30 this morning.

W
e had a lot in common as we discovered during the cause of the evening...Matt I guess you using a Mac for your work...of course Gunther... the rest you can imagine, we talked shop all night.

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Very few are allowed to use my Mac...
Matt preparing a small article for me from his
visit to Puerto Galera.


Matt is studying marine biology and is working for
DivePhotoGuide as a writer photographer, he just arrived from Bali and is covering now some of the dive destinations in the Philippines, Jason Heller the founder of DivePhotoGuide and a good friend ask me some weeks ago if I could assist Matt during his visit over here.
So here we are Matt and myself talking all night until the early morning, chatting away about our experience with Mac and
Aperture 2, Photoshop, Photography and so on, a very interesting and productive evening. Matt has left this morning for Palawan another great dive destinations in the Philippines and the only place to see Dugongs.
Interesting, Matt is using the New
MacBook Air, he decided to work on this trip with it since there are so many weight restriction on small aircrafts and he has to carry a lot already, a ton of cameras and underwater housing making the MacBook Air the ideal choice. We try to catch up with each other again when he is returning from Dugong Dive Center in Palawan next week...for another session and Apple talk. For all his images and stories check out DivePhotoGuide.com in a few weeks.
GD

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Matt Weiss and Gunther Deichmann, two Mac addicts having fun, my son Mark-Lee took the opportunity and recorded the "event" on his cell phone.

Latest Press Info... Formula BMW & Marlon Stockinger...his new Blog and the TV coverage on You Tube...

Latest Press Release & info...

Stockinger Top Formula BMW Rookie Finisher in Action Packed Races, you can also find him now on You Tube... the TV coverage from last week, clips from his early days in Karting...

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Remember the Fast & Furious from my earlier blogs...he is getting very fast now.

M
arlon Stockinger, sponsored by BMW and Swiss Private Bank Sarasin, put in a stellar performance last weekend at the Sepang International Grand Prix Circuit in Malaysia, where Asia Pacific’s Finest young racers gathered for a four-day race meeting. After struggling in the opening rounds of this year’s Formula BMW Pacific Championship during the recent F1 Grand Prix in Sepang, he is gaining confidence with each outing... read more on his brand NEW blog @ http://www.marlonstockinger.com/blog.html

APERTURE 2...View from the Car Window...creating cool Black and White Images using the Monochrome Mixer and a little Animation...NEW IMAGES uploaded.



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The View from the Car Window...Mumbai India 2008...

Aperture 2 creating some cool looking Black & White Images using the Monochrome Mixer plus a little Animation... the images from India including the COLOR IMAGES are soon on my website in about 24 hours, we also updated the Home page. Click on the screen shot or use this link:
http://www.deichmann-photo.com/home.html


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Asia Pacific’s Finest young racers gathered for a four-day race meeting at the Sepang International Grand Prix Circuit in Malaysia…a warm up for the Historic F1 night race later this year in Singapore…& 2nd place for Stockinger in his Formula BMW...

May 16 - 18 Asian Festival of Speed, Sepang, Malaysia -
Rounds 7, 8, 9 and 10

Congratulations to Marlon Stockinger on his great achievement and win last week in Sepang Malaysia. No I was not around this time but his father and good friend Tom supplied me with these images & Press release below...

Press Release… excerpt from last weeks Formula BMW race
in Sepang Malaysia…


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Photos © Tom Stockinger - more images soon on
Marlons website check the link below the article

Stockinger Top Formula BMW Rookie Finisher in Action Packed Races
Marlon Stockinger, sponsored by BMW and Swiss Private Bank Sarasin, put in a stellar performance last weekend at the Sepang International Grand Prix Circuit in Malaysia, where Asia Pacific’s Finest young racers gathered for a four-day race meeting. After struggling in the opening rounds of this year’s Formula BMW Pacific Championship during the recent F1 Grand Prix in Sepang, he is gaining confidence with each outing. “I made some smart overtaking moves and quick lap times. The team (Eurasia Motorsport) did an excellent job, the car felt great and it was really enjoyable. I think I am making progress. It helps build my morale and I can look towards the front of the field with confidence”, says Stockinger.
… Nara was away well when the safety car pulled off with Stockinger skillfully slipping into his tow and pulling away from the rest of the field. However, the unshakable Nara took the flag to record a superb second victory, joined on the podium by the triumphant
BMW Juniors Stockinger in 2nd and Wootton in 3rd place. Due to the great results for this weekend Stockinger advanced from 5th to 2nd place behind Simon Moss of South Africa in the rookie classification and from 12th to 5th place in the overall drivers classification for the 2008 championship…
YOU can read the whole PRESS RELEASE and more photos next week on Marlon Stockingers website @ http://www.marlonstockinger.com/

Continues feedback...Is this a real image? Film & Digital images, years apart from AUSTRALIA to GREECE ...more real images & comments from some readers...

I guess a very nice dialogue has started and I try my best to publish all of them as they become available, as mention in my previous blog exchange of ideas and knowledge is good.

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© Gunther Deichmann - Sydney Harbor Bridge & Opera House
Australia 1995 F4 Nikon, Kodachrome 25, Film


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© Gunther Deichmann - The cliffs of Santorini,
Greece 2005, Nikon D70

Please note: These are very low res. images & original color might vary between different computer screens.
For more images on AUSTRALIA and GREECE click on the images or this link: http://www.deichmann-photo.com/greece9.html

Luis Martin Harder wrote...

Hi GD
BTW, your thought and the exchange of ideas about "real images" in your blog is really interesting and educational. I think the distinction between a photographer and a digital artist should really be defined. I believe you'll be a lot of help in this area GD, a lot of newbies in photography will be guided and many pros will be delighted.
Thanks again GD and hope to hear from you again.
Keep in touch.
Best regards,
Luis Harder